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Polytrack & Horses for Courses - Part II

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We have a consensus that the Horses for Courses phenomenon applies to artificial surfaces, Polytrack included.

To rephrase TGH4559, “Polytrack is a unique surface. There doesn’t appear to be any dependable correlation between ability on dirt or turf to that on an artificial surface. Therefore, you need to consider the horse’s previous efforts on Polytrack when handicapping a Polytrack race.”

As summarized by eaoa89, “The first key is to accept that this is now a three-surface sport (dirt, turf, and artificial) and trying to use form from one to predict the outcome on another leads to losing tickets.”

One can even break down those three categories into sub sets: dirt can be divided into the various classifications of fast, good, sloppy, muddy. Turf can be broken out into hard, firm, yielding, soft. Artificial can be separated into Polytrack, Cushion Track, Tapeta.

John Drake is particularly delimited in his approach: “When it comes to AP Poly, I only use AP Poly (races) to rate the horse. It is AP’s Poly and there is no other like it.”

Jockey James Graham said much the same when interviewed after a stakes win weekend before last. “Polytrack is Polytrack. Horses either like it or they don’t.”

The phenomenon should be illustrated with examples to prove the point. If you were at the races last weekend, you no doubt saw these instances.

In the 11th race last Saturday (5/31/08) Discoverer was entered. His past performances (PP’s) revealed that on April 18 Discoverer registered a 45 McMannis Speed Figure (MSF) in a sprint over Hawthorne’s traditional surface. On May 15 Discoverer returned in an Arlington Polytrack sprint, at the same class level, and registered an MSF of 54, a nine-length improvement. It was Discoverer’s first time on an artificial surface.

For those of you who use the Daily Racing Form (Beyer) speed figures, or the speed figures found in the Arlington track program, similar significant improvement was evident with the shift from a traditional to the Polytrack surface.

The same will not hold true for all horses. In the first race last Saturday Wrong Soup was entered. Her PP’s showed that, on March 30, Wrong Soup ran a MSF of 50 with an inside trip in a Hawthorne dirt sprint. On May 15, in an Arlington sprint, on Polytrack for the first time, she ran an MSF of 49 after being a little wide on the turn. The performances are interchangeable. That is, Wrong Soup demonstrated essentially the same talent in essentially the same circumstances, the only difference being the racing surfaces.

The conclusion is, we need to see a race on an artificial surface to get some idea of how a horse will perform on it. Ideally, we want to use a horse’s most recent race at the same or a similar distance over the Arlington Polytrack.

Some of the horses we will be handicapping in the next few days will have such a race for us to use for our handicapping purposes. However, we are still early in this meet which means we are still seeing a number of horses making their first start of the meet. The recommendation from TGH4559 is:“If a horse has no current Polytrack figures, I will use a figure from last year’s AP meet.This is much more effective than using a current dirt figure.”

Should we reach back that far??? I will offer advice in my next post on how to do that more effectively, but first I want to collect your ideas.

NOTE to cubswincubswin: What do you mean, ‘good to see you’ve joined the on-line generation’? I was communicating with the offices of The Racing Times in 1990 (when you were playing T-ball), using PROCOMM; that’s pre-email. The Smithsonian wants me to donate my old Commodore 64. I’m holding on to my old IBM 360, though. They might come back. I’ve got a Honeywell and a Singer around here someplace, too. (Bet you don’t.)

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False-paced races are not

False-paced races are not uncommon. If one horse gets the lead uncontested, it is natural for the rider to try to slow the pace. He is trying to conserve his mount's energy so that there is enough left in the tank to hold off challengers in the stretch.

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I like the article. But

I like the article. But while I haven't noticed "turf to poly" horses jumping off the page, I went out to the track last Saturday and because I wasn't certain whether they'd be on the turf handicapped the races for both surfaces, and in 2 of the 3 grass races, my "poly picks" won the race on the grass. Keep it up.

horoscopes007: Bill Finley

horoscopes007:

Bill Finley (author of Betting Synthetic Surfaces) would agree. He says there is no good proof that turf horses will run equally well on artificial surfaces.

Good handicapping!

Scott

It does seem the rail is

It does seem the rail is playing fairer on the poly then on dirt. Perhaps it is not as deep.

chermo: I support your

chermo:

I support your observation. In the past, in pre-Polytrack days, the inside posts at the one-turn distances did have negative post position stats. That reversed with the coming of Polytrack. Post position studies for last year's first Polytrack meet show that now the inside posts are advantaged, over time, which one would expect: after it, it is the shortest way home.

Or, were you referring to day-to-day lane biases?

By the way, are you the ostrich that kicked the assistant starter behind the gate last spring, sending him to the hospital with a broken arm?

I try not to look at day to

I try not to look at day to day biases since that does not give me enough data to play with. Plus it could just be a matter of the better horses getting the rail position that day.

In regards to the starting gate incident, well that was just a love tap,probably another orstrich with that name

Other than biases caused by

Other than biases caused by post position, I don't worry about speed/closer biases or lane biases. The exception would be if there has been a heavy rain; then there could be a speed bias.

Hi Scott..with this rain

Hi Scott..with this rain casting a pall over father's day racing today, perhaps this is a good time to revisit the issue of how horses run in an off track. I've noticed that the Polytrack just sucks up a lot of the rain leaving a track that is often faster than normal...is this what you've found too and when you handicapp a horse running on poly are you less inclined to pay heed to the far right hand column data in the PPs that shows a horse's record on a wet track?

Chris

Chris: Yes, I have observed

Chris:

Yes, I have observed that the Polytrack runs faster when we have heavy rain. I should say, I know it does. I calculate a track variant for every race day that tells me just how fast or slow the track ran each day. I only need to look at that variant to confirm that the track speeds up after heavy rain, and I can quantify exactly how much.

In answer to your second question, I pay no attention to a horse's record on a wet track when I am handicapping him for a Polytrack race. A horse's wet-track record is compiled, collectively, from all his races on good, sloppy, muddy, heavy, and so-called wet-fast tracks (a misnomer and oxymoron if there ever was one). Furthermore, those track conditions are only found on traditional racing surfaces. Recommendation: stick to Polytrack history when handicapping for a Polytrack race.

Scott

If the track favors speed

If the track favors speed after a race, how is I have noticed some pretty slow fractions for horses that should haved done better. I will write back after I look over my notes from the past few days. I am not sure if was a track bias or trainer instructions but horses that should have been sent out, weren't and so the were several false pace races.

chermo: We can only

chermo:

We can only anticipate how the race will be run. What the riders do, based mostly on instructions from the trainers, determines the running of the race in the final analysis.

False-paced races are not uncommon. If one horse gets the lead uncontested, it is natural for the rider to try to slow the pace. He is trying to conserve his mount's energy so that there is enough left in the tank to hold off challengers in the stretch.

Thanks for the refresher

Thanks for the refresher Scott...glad to see the geeks have worked out the bugs on this blog.

chris

Chris: It's been a learning

Chris:

It's been a learning process and we are moving forward. As I always say, when you stop learning, you stop living. As the late, great Sachel Paige said, "Never stop to look back over your shoulder - they might be gaining on you."

Scott

Thanks for coming out and

Thanks for coming out and talking on June 28. I hope you will go into more of the nuts and bolts of handicapping the next time you speak at AP. Do you think you will be hitting any of Tracksides before the end of the meet?

chermo: You will want to

chermo:

You will want to know that I will be conducting another workshop at Arlington, next Saturday, July 19. I start at 11:30 but you should arrive a little earlier to sign in and get settled. The format will be the same as my last seminar.

There are no plans for me to appear at Trackside parlors until this fall. Is there a specific parlor where you would want to see me conduct a seminar?

Scott

Scott, do you still have the

Scott, do you still have the abacus used to compute your original MSF's too?

Cubswincubswin: Boy, you

Cubswincubswin:

Boy, you Cubs fans guys get cocky when the Cubs sweep the Sox, don't you?

No, I donated my abacus to the Smithsonian. Got a much-needed tax deduction for it, too, I might add.

However, I do have the Underwood calculator that replaced the trusty old abacus way back when. Do you remember those? You pressed down (until they stuck down) on numbered keys representing the number you wanted to enter, such as 31. Then you pulled down on the handle affixed to the right side of the calculator. Then you entered the next number, such as 53, and pulled down again. Then you could depress the TOTAL key, crank the handle one more time, and 84 would show in the panel across the top of the machine. Nifty, huh? A little WD-40 now and then and she still works like a charm.

If a horse has a Polytrack

If a horse has a Polytrack figure from the current meet in a race similar in distance to today's race, I will use that figure provided there is no indication of trouble in the trip notes. (I subscribe to Scott's newsletter which includes his speed figures and trip notes.)

If there is no current figure or no current figure without trouble, I will go back to last year to find a suitable race and use that McMannis Speed Figure.

However, when going back to a figure from last year I check a couple of things. I will look at who the current trainer is and who was the trainer when the horse earned the figure from last year. As with everything else, some trainers have have more ability on polytrack than others.(Scott's Trainer book has all this information on trainers and jockeys.) Also, I will look at the current class level and the class level from last year to see if there has been any improvement or decline. A big drop in the class level from one year to another could be indicative of physical problems. Also consider the age of the horse. Younger horses that were 2 or 3 years old last year may show improvement this year because they have had a year to grow and mature.

THG4559: These are excellent

THG4559:

These are excellent suggestions, and I endorse them.

In fact, you preempted me a bit since I was going to include some of your recommendations into my next installment. I will still do so, then add a simple extrapolation technique that can get us closer to making a prediction on how fast we can expect a horse to run today. It has been very helpful in handicapping this current meet.

Fans, stay tuned - check the web site regularly for the next installment.

Scott

Scott- I actually bet

Scott-
I actually bet Discoverer across the board based on breeding that I felt might move him up on Poly (As you point out, it did indeed, but unfortunatly for me, not quite enough)

The other thing that I've noticed is that when there has recently been rain that speed really seems to be holding up well. (Come to think of it, seems like speed is holding better than last year period-almost seems like the track has been speed favoring thruout the meet)

But to me, the best way to figure out how a first time poly horse will run is still breeding. (Joe K had published a list last year, and someone in a blog at DRF posted one this year that seems to really be helpful with "first time Poly" horses.)

Last but not least, while I haven't noticed "turf to poly" horses jumping off the page, I went out to the track last Saturday and because I wasn't certain whether they'd be on the turf handicapped the races for both surfaces, and in 2 of the 3 grass races, my "poly picks" won the race on the grass. Something else to look at down the road I guess (so little time, so much to look at!)

Sometimes I think a good

Sometimes I think a good horse can take a liking to a different surface just because they are good performing horses. For example I liked the mare Piano Tunner. She did well on all three surfaces dirt, turf and poly. But I think this depends on how talented the horse is.

eaoa89: Thank you for your

eaoa89:

Thank you for your post.

I hope, however, that you are not over-emphasizing breeding in your handicapping. Breeding only speaks to a horse's potential. My sire was an electrician, but you wouldn't want me to do any wiring jobs around your house.

We are far enough into this meet where most races have horses with two or three recent starts over this track. Concentrate your attention, and your bankroll, on those races where you can make a reasonable prediction of the likely outcome based on how each horse has been running recently, at this meet, on Polytrack. Or, if it's a turf race, only concentrate on each horse's turf efforts. Your results will improve.

Did you attend my seminar at Arlington last Saturday (June 28)? If so, you saw how I go about marking up the PP's and handicapping a race. If not, be sure to make the next one.

Early in the introduction of artificial racing surfaces, one of the theories going around was that horses who liked the turf would like synthetic surfaces. I don't buy it. Some horses will run the same on Poly as they do on grass, some will improve, some will deprove. It goes right back to the horses-for-courses phenomenon. Most horses have footing preferences. Until we run a horse a couple of times over a surface, we won't know his preference(s).

You are correct when you say that rain can make the track run faster. See my response to Chris, above. Often, that will also mean that speed will be more favored, but that is not a guarantee.

Scott, Has anyone posted

Scott,

Has anyone posted anything about the new post bias at AP because of this new surface? AP really didn't have a negative post bias for positions 4-7 but it does now. Positions 1-3 all have favorable + biases. Position 1 is +13. Doesn't really seem all that fair does it?

And now that favorites are winning even more than before, how does one make money anymore? Is AP going to turn into a belmont or delmar where it is impossible to make money because the payouts are a joke?

From a former winner who now curses AP.

jedimike: Yes, there is

jedimike:

Yes, there is information on post position studies in the latest (July-August) issue of HorsePlayer Magazine. In a feature article on Arlington, I point out how the post positions are playing differently now with Polytrack than they were with the traditional surface.

If you do not subscribe to HorsePlayer, come to my seminar this Saturday August 2, and I will give you the latest issue. We start at 11:30 AM in the Starting Gate area. I pass out past performances of the races I am going over and we have an in-depth analysis of those races. The seminar is free and open to the public. Be at the admission gate when it opens at 11:15. Enter through the Wilke Road entrance; that entrance is always open. I remain in the Starting Gate area all afternoon to answer questions and talk racing.

Scott

This may be off topic but it

This may be off topic but it is a subject I would like some information. It concerns handicapping horse that race at both 1 mile and 1 1/16 mile at AP. I know it should seem similar but it seems to me there are two major differences. The first is the fact that the mile is a one-turn route. The second is the alternative finish line for the 1 and 1/16 mile. The shorter distance means that horses have a shorter stretch run. The one turn mile must be a different stratagy for conserving horse energy.

I would appreaciate any information on how to handicap the difference in those two races. I would like to hear from Scott and others how they work out those problems.
Thank you for any information you can give me.

chermo: You sort of answered

chermo:

You sort of answered your own question, in part.

The two races are distinctly different. I only use one mile races in a horse's past performances when handicapping his upcoming mile race. If the upcoming race is at 1-1/16 mile, I only use past 1-1/16 races for handicapping. We are at a point in the meet where we often have a couple of races, at least, at today's distance for our handicapping purposes.

Come to my workshop this Saturday, August 2, and follow along with my handicapping of the afternoon's races. See you at 11:30 in the Starting Gate area. Bring a friend.

Scott